Board Thread:Shipping Discussion/@comment-4051652-20140202215300/@comment-30405853-20161106092457

Here is my response to another post Mischa-Rowe posted on the Dramione thread (link http://shipping.wikia.com/wiki/Dramione) because apparently she could not post on this thread anymore. Therefore I think it’s more relevant for me to post my response towards her Romione comments related to this thread here.

“Look, you and I will never agree--I see Harry as he is - loyal, brave, and selfless”

You actually used a strawman argument as I never said Harry is not loyal, brave and selfless despite his selfish moments. All I said is that he has a tendency to ignore, lie and explode to Hermione when he does not want to her. He also has a tendency to take credit for his friends’ actions like in OotP which is something Ron has never done. Nothing terribly wrong with that given how hard his mission was and how his upbringing most have emotionally stunted him.

Yeah, we probably wouldn’t agree although the difference is more like two people arguing whether Voldemort is good or evil and the person arguing Voldemort is good just denies all the evidence the other side brings to the table and repeats the same assertions over and over again. I would like to show other people what your arguments really are.

“- while you're a ronmione in denial”

Lol I am in denial when I am the person who can actually present lots of evidence from canon to support my arguments and you who supposedly can see the truth couldn’t properly respond to what I said and does not have much evidence to back up anything you said in the first place? This is hilariously stupid although I probably shouldn’t be surprised coming from someone who ranted on the Romione page and who couldn’t seem to think of anything better other than personal attacks. I am a romione shipper mainly because I think Ron is good for Hermione and she loves him and you appear to have difficulties seeing how Malfoy treats Hermione in canon but anyway…

“who thinks he's worse than a character that abandons his friends and, 19 years later, still acts like a child.”

When did I ever say Harry is worse than Ron other in the context that Ron is more suitable for Hermione? Or maybe you are just using a strawman because you couldn’t respond to what I actually said? Yep, thought so. By the way, we aren’t talking about who is a morally superior, only who is more suitable to Hermione which you seem very confused about.

Lol so basically you wouldn’t reply to anything and just keep repeating the same assertion that Ron abandons his friends without context? Of course, it’s probably hard to respond against canon evidence.

Let me explain to you his actions during the camping trip ok?

 Firstly he did not “abandon” Hermione; he wanted her to go with him as his girlfriend so it’s not really even an argument against Romione, only against his character in general which is not the same thing.

My main point though is that Ron did not really abandon his friends. Remember he wanted to come back the moment  he Disapparated but he was prevented from doing so because he ran into some Snatchers. So it’s more like getting away from the mess they were in and cool down for a few minutes and then come back which is not the same as abandonment.

Furthermore Ron had huge burdens that the other 2 don’t have through no fault of his own. For example, he alone was splinched and almost killed when they escaped from the Ministry. He also had the most to lose by going on this quest. This is because 1) Unlike his best friends, he can go back Hogwarts and enjoy a relatively comfortable life despite the oppression because he is pure-blood and 2) His family will likely be targeted, tortured and killed if the Death Eaters ever found out that he was helping Harry Potter (he has been worrying about his family ever since the war started making him a pretty easy target for the Horcrux, this is a HUGE turnoff). Also before he left Harry already told him three times literally to “go home” (instead of talking the legitimate issues through rationally like Hermione tried to do) which is something a leader should never say to his followers. So in summary, he was not thinking of leaving himself, but Harry goaded him into doing it (why could he not react to a leader who seem to not care about him?). Yes, Ron does have a temper but he was mature enough to be able to recognise he was wrong right away, not something that can be said for everyone.

Your continuous denial of my earlier explanations for his actions 19 years later towards Malfoy is just embarrassing. Could you read through them and respond?

“Let J.K. say whatever she wants--it doesn't matter. Those of us who've been following her tweets and Pottermore since the beginning have seen her contradicting comments.”

You know, I just wanted to know when did Rowling make that quote (like did she make it before or after she published the comment?) which you seemed to not able to provide to me and keep deflecting the argument as to whether what Rowling said in interviews mattered or not. If what Rowling said doesn’t matter, then that supposed quote in favour of Dramione should not be used here; I also find it amusing that you spent so much of your earlier post talking about how apparently Rowling regrets Romione a lot (which isn’t actually what she said) whilst ignoring Rowling’s quote against Dramione and Malfoy. It’s just like how you claim opposite attract does not work for Romione and yet seems to be fine for it as an idea for Dramione, how interesting…