Board Thread:Shipping Discussion/@comment-4051652-20140202215300/@comment-30405853-20161103223111

Faceless Illusion wrote:

Torrent56 wrote: @Mischa-RoweLet's see what you actually said shall we?

“You have a strange idea of what Harry's character is. You think he'd just ignore Hermione?” Actually, this is exactly what he often do when Hermione nags him and he does not want to hear it. Read the books again as you seemed to have just skimmed over those examples lol.

“And that's worse than the things Ron did, huh? Harry, if he was to fall in love with Hermione, would be MUCH more loyal than Ron ever was - to anyone.”

You mean when he was always selfishly thinking about his own problems right? Look at how he treated Hermione during the cat-rat fight or when Hermione was standing by him during the Triwizard Tournament? How often did he think about Hermione’s problems or given her advice about her own problems? I found two instances where Harry cared about Hermione’s problems throughout the seven books, once when he advised her on dropping Arithmancy and once after Ron started snogging Lavender and he was an absolute failure at comforting her unlike Ron.

“And where the hell did you get the idea that if Harmione had happened that Harry would just up and leave her? If memory serves, RON did that, not Harry.”

Ron left because he thought Hermione chose Harry over him, her boyfriend. It is a common expectation between couples; plus he was influenced by the fight with Harry induced by the Horcrux. Oh, and you forgot that he wanted to come back right away.

“"Harry shows no interest in Hermione." True. But for a LONG time, neither did Ron - and you're claiming that Ronmione was "obvious" from the beginning. Can't have it both ways.” Wrong. Ron was almost always the person who first noticed what Hermione was doing, anything wrong with her, the one who cared about her personal life and who succeeded in comfort her. Not Harry.

“And anyway, so what? Ships have been shipped on less than that.”

So you think it's good to force 2 people who have absolutely no interest in each other to be together or what?

“It's not "proof" that Ronmione is better. It's just proof that J.K. wasn't thinking Harmione as end-game."

What does better even mean? There are many essays written by Good Shippers that showed what a poor match Harry and Hermione would be based on their personalities.

“And she regrets A LOT of what she made end-game, so your argument that it couldn't happen because it didn't happen is moot.”

Rowling never used the word regret. Did you read the actual interview or just the lying media articles that would have made Rita Skeeter proud? Also where the hell did you get the phrase a lot?

“Hermione and Ron are polar opposites - they had NOTHING in common”

Maybe common moral values like bravery, loyalty, care towards loved ones, passion, willingness to die for each other are more important than superficial differences like different hobbies. By the way even with hobbies they have chess and exploding snap in common.

“and he never understood her the way Harry did.”

You mean when Harry ignored, lied and exploded to her when Hermione did not know when to stop nagging him? How often did Harry appreciated her good intentions during those times? Ron was the one who understood what Hermione was doing (like going to the library) and even though he might not agree with her. What version of the books did you read here?

“They're argument during the Yule Ball was just one example.”

Yes, because there were unresolved sexual tension between them. Also it’s pretty hard for Ron to keep his cool when his opponent is an international Quidditch star. By the way I don’t agree with what he did and they actually did resolve the argument.

“ (Just in case you mention it: that "opposites attract" is garbage - it means nothing for a long lasting relationship. It's just hormones, and THEY don't last.)”

Tell me why does so many marriages between similar personalities end in divorce then? The simple fact is some people prefers a spouse who is similar to them, while some do not. Not every single relationship has to be exactly the same. Simple as. Given Hermione’s personality, she actually does not want to marry another genius who will make her feel like a failure by comparison. Ron and Hermione complement each other.

“If your entire argument for why romione is so good is because otherwise Ron would be a third wheel and Harry wouldn't have been able to defeat Voldemort, then your argument is a joke. HOW would Harry and Hermione having developed any kind of feelings for each other prevented Harry from killing Voldy with the power of LOVE? And on top of that, Ron had to return to Harry and Hermione after he ran off because of the storyline, NOT because of any romance. It was important for all three of them as FRIENDS that they finish things together. Shipping had nothing to do with it. "LOOK AT THE SIDE OF THIS WEBSITE! Ronmione's there! Ha!" An infantile remark, considering the rest of the pairing on the panels on the side have NOTHING to do with this discussion. I guess you think it's "proof". But it's not. Ronmione was nothing more than convenience, story-wise, and J.K's naive determination to keep her original plans intact regardless of the fact that her characters DEVELOPED and CHANGED so much over the 7 books that they weren't the same at the end that they were at the beginning. The interactions of Harry/Hermione/Ron were very different at the end - and during each book, they all had their ups and downs. Harry took Ron's side over Hermione's. Ron let his jealousy almost DESTROY his friendship with Harry. If any of those three was the third wheel during the years, Hermione was. But in the end, Voldemort was defeated, right? Despite the existence of one of the Golden Trio being a third wheel at any given point, right?”

Yes but it does not point against Romione. By the way a friendship that cannot survive distrusts is not a real friendship, and within the GoF fight between Harry and Ron Harry was also culpable as he was always thinking about his own problems.

“More reasoning for you: Hermione nags Ron likes she's his mother, in the epilogue.” “Because he's still ACTING like a child, the way he spoke about Draco on the platform was not remotely mature.”

First of all, it is really meant to be a joke I am not sure why does it mean the person making the joke is immature and is not just trying to lighten up the mood. Well Draco did horrible things as a person maybe Ron just wasn’t as willing to forgive someone who insulted him and attacked his family for half his life (and Draco actually did not turn away from Voldemort because he was a good person but because he had no choice, he was a two-faced person like Ron said). By the way Hermione was half-amused at his comment so clearly she does not care about it as much as you did.

“There was no character development for him from the combative personality he was still holding onto from the end of the Battle at Hogwarts.”

Ron actually matured a lot during the last 3 books and his personality/maturity was more than enough for a long-term relationship, perhaps you just cannot see it. Need me to give you examples where Ron matured? Immaturity is just a meaningless word thrown around by detractors who really have little evidence to back it up.

“And a mother/child relationship is NOT a healthy relationship among adults.”

Ron mothers Hermione as well even before they became a couple in HBP. He cared deeply about her just as much as he cared about him and these examples can actually be found before they became a couple when they were just best friends. A person reprimanding/advising his/her spouse about something happens all the time between couples.

“Ron and Hermione were the LEAST right for each other pairings the series ended with, and that's saying something.”

That is just your delusional assertion. There are no evidence for this at all.

“I'll see your baseless "OMG they're so right for each other" and raise you a "they would've driven each other mad and realistically, broken up". Because frankly, Hermione deserves HAPPINESS after everything.”

Yes, she was happy to be in Ron’s company even before she became his girlfriend. If she was not happy, please tell me why does she keep spending time with him ALONE when Harry was not around?

All your “points” could be easily debunked by common sense, but it seems you just cannot see them. From the look of things, Torrent56 is a delusional idiot. Instead of calling me names that doesn't mean anything how about you try to refute what I actually said. Could you do that? That's right you can't so you just go around throwing mud hoping some of it sticks.

By the way this part of "the interview of doom" applies to you perfectly.

ES: Harry/Hermione shippers - delusional!

AND

ES: Honestly, I think the Harry/Hermione shippers are a very small percentage of the population anyway.

MA: Yeah, if you do a general poll -

ES: They seem more prominant online, but that’s just because the online fandom is very -

MA: Militant was the best word I heard -

JKR: Militant is a beautifully chosen word. Energetic. Feisty.

[Laughter.]